School Bus Driver Fired for Stem Cell Talk
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GI Record
dtd 22Jan05

Thanks for giving fired bus driver a chance to explain herself

I want to thank you for making space in your paper for a fuller explanation of the issue regarding Julianna Thompson.  I was struck by her articulateness and her sense of the broader issues.  As a Christian moderate it was refreshing to have an obvious conservative explore these issues in such an enlightened way.  I only wish some of my more ardent liberal friends would do the same.
The only comment I have to the issue is that I wish people in leadership positions would be less "knee jerk" and more thoughtful about decisions that may have broad implications for our community.  So much time, effort and money is wasted in having to "re-think" and "re-decide."
We only need to look to our county at the present time.
Thanks again for your "rag."
Bob Tyrell
Stoney Point Road

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Thompson's views were predictable and predictably uninformed

On Jan. 15, the residents of Grand Island were handed yet another nugget of infinite wisdom from Julianna Thompson.  The contents of the article were predictable.  You could sum it up as follows:  "if you believe in secular education, you are against Christianity.  Stem cell research is a crime against humanity.  Scientific thought is unsupported nonsense and literature, unless it ends 'happily ever after,' contains nothing but garbage."
Please.
My nausea over such ignorant assumptions made me wonder how much Ms. Thompson really knows about the issues she so vehemently opposes.  Has she ever bothered to actually investigate what stem cell research involves?  And by investigate I mean to speak with a research scientist (and there are plenty of them in the Buffalo area) as to what stem cell research is really about.
Has Ms. Thompson ever read any of the volumes of information written on mathmatical theories or evolution before stating that they "lack scientific data"?
When she cited the wisdom of Thomas Jefferson to reinforce her point on the distorted view of church and state, does she know our Founding Fathers created a secular society to prevent religious persecution and abuse of pwer by religious authority?
Does she know our Founding Fathers, when establishing this country, received many of their ideas from the political and philisophical writings of people like Locke and de Tocqueville?  Writings that Ms. Thompson would probably consider (and this may come as no surprise) radical and offensive.
And when preaching that voting for John Kerry is tantamount to voting to kill babies, has Ms. Thompson ever paused to wonder if our current President ever bothered to ask a pregnant Iraqi woman if she wanted to be killed or if an Iraqi child would want a limb or two blown off?
To all of the above questions, I think it's safe to say that the answer would be "no."
So, my advice to Ms. Thompson would be to:
1)  Try reading books instead of condemning them.
2)  If you want to exercise your right to free speech, do as you are doing now.  Write articles for the entire public to read.  Because when you preach your views to 9-year olds, it shows me you are unwilling to confront a person like myself who will ask questions and debate your views or you simply are not willing to stop and listen to the other side of the story.

Maisie I. Martinick
Melrose Road

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23 January 2005

Miss Maisie's Fatal Flaws
by Julianne Thompson

It's becoming a strange habit for people to put words in my mouth, and then call me ignorant for saying them.  The many false assumptions, blanket generalities and lack of general knowledge in Maisie Martinick's letter of 22Jan05 may speak for themselves, but I can only hope to shed a little light by addressing some of them here.
Embryonic stem-cell research is a crime against humanity, not adult stem cell research, which has been largely successful, and doesn't require the destruction of the donor.
I don't object to secular education, I send three of my children to the public schools here.
All scientific thought is not nonsense just because evolutionary theory lacks evidence. 
All literature is not garbage.  Only "Of Mice and Men" is garbage, at the young high school level.
Miss Maisie's somewhat distorted interpretation regarding the Founding Fathers and secular society only reinforces my explanation of the church/state myth.  Do you not think our schools, in teaching our kids to swear (using the name of God), is a form of religious persecution?  After all, God's third commandment forbids us to use His name in vain.  The 10 Commandments forms the basis for not only Christian, but Jewish and Muslim religions as well, so it would seem including this particular piece of garbage in the curriculum, is discriminatory, a form of persecution, and is an affront to the brunt of world religions.
Anyone who is familiar with Alexis de Tocqueville, knows his observations of America caused him to conclude that her greatness was inextricably linked to her morality, which was most assuredly derived from her collective religious beliefs.  The assumption that I would find his or John Locke's writings offensive or radical is strange, if not outrageously ignorant. But perhaps Miss Maisie has read something I haven't, in which case, I hope she shares it.  Also, de Tocqueville never arrived in America until the 1830's, so it's doubtful, if not impossible that our Founders were influenced by his writings.  My guess is most of them were dead by then.
In the process of obeying God's command to care for the widows, comfort the broken-hearted, and liberate the oppressed, casualties are inevitable in wars.  The billion dollar abortion industry here in the U.S. is fed in large part by the harvesting of body parts from live fetuses -- not for life-saving procedures, but for research.  And we don't even supply them with anesthetic. My son said, "We don't even disect live frogs."  Is your emotional upset over limbs lost in the Iraqi liberation (right or wrong) perhaps a little misplaced?
De Tocqueville wrote that "America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."  Can greatness be found in killing our offspring and calling it Choice?  Is there any good in harvesting body parts, and creating life to destroy it, to no good end?  I suspect, were he alive today, the astute Frenchman would be very disappointed to learn that America has lost a significant piece of her inherent goodness:  her respect for life.

P.S. Thank you, Mr. Tyrrell

Mrs. Julianne Thompson
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30 December 04
Mythical Beasts
by Julianne Thompson

I am very encouraged by the letters written to support and oppose my sharing of facts about embryonic stem-cell research (ESCR)* with students on my schoolbus.  With respect to the opposition:
In the first letter (Dispatch, 10Dec04), when Mrs. Rose's daughter announced that she was not voting for John Kerry because he kills babies, it should be noted that those words never came from me.  After I briefly described the nature of the failed research, the children asked which presidential candidate supported it, and which didn't.  When properly informed, Mrs. Rose's daughter apparently decided that John Kerry was guilty through association, and that he did not comfortably fit into her world of good and right.  Far from being "damaged", this young girl sounded determined, and Mrs. Rose needs to be commended for raising such a bright and perceptive child.  We should all have such resolve.
In the second letter (GI Record, 25Dec04), I am unsure as to why Mr. Steffan assumes I would object to someone sharing bits of a comedic diatribe against the Ten Commandments, or yet another uninformed opinion from Newsweek disputing the historical record of Christ's birth. In a free society, we're entitled to our opinions, and for as often as I hear offensive views and say nothing, I believe I am very tolerant.  Where Mr. Steffan clearly misses the mark, is that I shared facts of a scientific nature, not opinion.  How "not a single cure in 23 years of research" translates into "astounding results" is beyond me, and I suspect his NASA analogy would work if its primary goal was to land a man on Mars.  The goal of ESCR is to find cures, to which none have been found.  But after muddling through Mr. Steffan's false presumptions and unsupported favor of the failed research, alas, we find, we agree.  "Dangerous" and "treacherously unorthodox" is a fitting translation of the belief that creating life to destroy it is an egregious violation of natural law.  Why the school district, among whose missions are to foster social responsibility, finds such mutually agreed upon folly unacceptable to speak about, and worthy of dismissal, is also beyond me.  But now that I've been engaged in this debate, there are a couple of other matters that concern me....
When ninth graders are subjected to the viewing of profane material such as "This Boy's Life" without parental consent, or forced to read "Of Mice and Men" whose pages are filled with profanity, it's no wonder vile language is rampant in the schools.  This "classic" by the way, contains numerous examples of truly aberrant behavior, including that of the "hero", who commits a mercy killing of a deranged man, essentially endorsing disdain for life, and disregard for the law.  Interestingly, in oral readings, students are expected to use the Lord's name in a vain, offensive manner.  Yet, the students are also told they are not permitted to talk about Jesus, in a favourable way, during school hours!  Disregarding the fact that The New England Primer, which taught the alphabet using scripture, was used in American public schools for over 100 years, these educators might try to tell you that the law, and the separation of church and state prohibits religious speech in schools.  Sadly, most of them actually believe it.  In reality, those words can't be found in any one of our founding documents.  They can, however, be found in a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury, Connecticut Baptist Association, when the group became concerned their new government might mandate adherence to a single state religion.  Jefferson assured them that government may not restrict, prohibit or mandate the practice of any one religion, using the now famous and hugely distorted church/state phrase.  In point of fact, the current distortion, commandeered primarily by the ACLU (otherwise known as the Anti-Christian Liberation Unit), actually flies in the face of the very liberties he assured them they were entitled to, as a free people.
While on the subject of the church/state myth, how a GIHS (or any other) teacher can successfully impart the Origins of Man by perpetuating the belief in evolution, which has come to clearly lack scientific data to support it, while blatantly ignoring the increasing scientific evidence of immortality, is just, befuddling.  In the absence of evidence, belief in evolution is without a doubt, a clear example of Secular Humanism.  Because the U.S. Supreme Court has named Secular Humanism a religion (Torcaso v. Watkins, 1961), the teaching of evolution constitutes the teaching of a religion.  How then, is this belief any more valid, or legally acceptable than Creationism? 
As people of faith, my husband and I believe we have adequately enabled our children to sift through the onslaught of political correctness, religious intolerance, "classic" garbage, and whatever other agenda is being imparted, mostly at the high school level.  I am also most assuredly grateful for the exceptional teachers who have made my job as a parent a little easier.  I am just not sure how well-protected others children are.
I can only advocate an all-inclusive curriculum, and encourage parents to step up to the plate, because you see, I cannot be your spokesman.  While you continue to pay $97,438 salary to a man who has admitted to felony charges, I've been abruptly deprived of my $9000, for sharing facts.  A little pressure can go a long way!  What started as a letter to the editor of the Dispatch, then forwarded to the Buffalo News, became an AP news story, going out all across the US and abroad.  I interviewed on radio stations in Tennessee, Colorado and Illinois, which reached at least 40 states, and have arranged to go on a national television program.  All because some people are intolerant of the truth.
You see, most people don't understand the violation of free speech, and whether the subject matter is fodder for schoolchildren outside of the classroom, can be, and is being widely debated.  But "termination"?  They don't get it, and neither do I, especially in the absence of guidelines as to what constitutes acceptable speech. Lawyers, including the Alliance Defense Fund, have offered to represent me in a lawsuit, but always the optimist, I am holding out hope the School District will recant.  If a clear policy had been in place, and I happened to find it objectionable, I could have challenged it in an appropriate setting, before the School Board.  As it is, it's being debated in a very wide, open forum, and in my opinion, because of Grand Island's intolerance, America itself loses credibility, as the champions of liberty, democracy and freedom of speech.

*to be distinguished from adult stem cell research, which has been largely successful, and does not require the destruction of the donor.

Julianne Thompson
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27 November 2004
Casualties of the Culture War
by Julianne Thompson
A few weeks ago, I read an interview with Mel Gibson, wherein he explained that in 23 years of embryonic stem cell research, we haven't found a single cure for any disease - ever.  Not one life has been saved.  But in using adult stem cells, we've found over 300,000 cures.  I was stunned, and as a schoolbus driver, I shared it with my students.  I did not express an opinion, I shared a scientific fact, and I encouraged the students to share it with their parents.  They did, and after some apparently uninformed discussion, a couple of parents brought their twisted rendition to the Grand Island School District, and demanded my dismissal.  It would seem they needed to strengthen their case, so they then fabricated a lie about lack of control, and students standing while the bus is in motion, which simply doesn't happen on my schoolbus.   Without warning, and after two and a half years of spotless service, the school district submitted to their infantile demands, and promptly fired me.
Boy, did I learn my lesson.  I learned that free speech is definitely not free, that education stops at the schoolbus door, and that either political correctness, or the irrational rantings of a tiny, vocal minority supersedes reason, facts and truth.  The strongest language that was used to justify my dismissal was "inappropriate".  I then asked, reasonably enough, "What was inappropriate about it?", but have yet to receive a response.
If millions of people in California voted on it by referendum, why is it off-limits to speak about it with students?  And if such facts were provided the students by their health or science teacher, would anyone care?  I have learned since then, that the use of embryonic stem cells causes only cancers, cysts and tumors.
In the midst of all the misplaced outrage, is the story of the sad and disturbing success of a fraudulent social "conscience" that devalues life in favor of demonstrably failed science, wasting billions of dollars in the process, and one that pretends to champion tolerance, but punishes reasonable discourse.  Memo to the Schools:  Submitting to terrorist demands rewards ignorance, and utilizes a most ineffective conflict resolution technique. 
Whether it's the sheer joy gained from pilfering one's meager sustenance, or just a post-election tantrum, those parents, and the educators and administrators who should know better, are the real victims in this culture war.  To be continually and easily bamboozled by liberalism's ideological nonsense is not a level of discernment (or lack thereof) that should be admired, aspired to or encouraged. 
Our children, sadly, may be the biggest casualties of all.  How can we expect them to grow into rational, objective adults, if we ourselves refuse to tolerate logic, or dissent from our own narrow view?  How can we expect honesty, when we use lies to sweeten our case against those we oppose?  The school district, in enabling the minority, has sent a message that those who stamp their feet the loudest win, and has paved the way for an irresponsible, amoral, ill-bred and disobedient generation.  Sounds like anarchy.
As one of the responsible citizens of Grand Island, with a hefty tax burden and a stake in the future, I encourage you to stamp your feet.  Loudly.
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Stem cell talk gets bus driver fired
Chicago Tribune (subscription), IL - 15 hours ago

Julianne Thompson, 42, told students in November that actor Mel Gibson had said such research had not produced a single human cure in 23 years. ...
School bus driver fired after talking with kids about stem cells WSTM-TV

School bus driver fired after talking with kids about stem cells Newsday

NY School Bus Driver Fired Over Stem Cell Talk Reuters

NATIONAL DIGEST
Kansas City Star (subscription), MO - 19 hours ago
... Julianne Thompson, 42, told pupils in November that actor Mel Gibson
had said in an article that embryonic stem cell research had not produced
a single human ...
I found this article about Mel Gibso off one of the links to Juls article

Mel Gibson Takes on Hollywood Over Stem-Cell Research

Determined Mel Gibson is taking on some of Hollywood's biggest stars
in a monumental political battle.

The outspoken actor has a new passion--challenging Brad Pitt, Michael J. Fox and the legacy of Christopher Reeve in a struggle over government funding for embryonic stem-cell research.

The "Braveheart" star went to war against a proposition on California's
November 2 ballot--asking the state's taxpayers to approve a $3 billion
bond to fund stem-cell research.

Mel, a devout Roman Catholic, is against recovering stem cells from embryos.

Brad, Michael and other big names supported the proposal. "And Christopher Reeve fought for the funding of stem-cell research until his dying breath,"
said a source.

"But Mel is not one to shy away from controversy. Because of his religious
convictions, he opposed the bond."

The "Passion of the Christ" director was so committed to shooting down "Prop 71," he even went on "Good Morning America" to tackle the issue.

Brad Pitt also weighed in, telling "Today" that he backs government funding of stem-cell research.

"Brad is furious because he thinks Mel is insensitive to Christopher Reeve's memory and to Michael J. Fox, who is fighting a valiant battle with Parkinson's disease," said an insider.

"It's a bold move on Mel's part. "Hollywood power brokers have always tended to see eye-to-eye on political matters, but in the past few years Hollywood has splintered.

"Mel is not afraid to take on the powers that be."
The stem-cell feud shows no signs of stopping.

"There is a lot at stake over this fight," said the source.

"Mel truly believes in what he's preaching, but fighting the entertainment establishment has always been a dicey proposition.

"This is Round One in what promises to be one of Hollywood's fiercest battles.
We haven't heard the last from any of these stars."

--TIM PLANT
Video link-- From WGRZ.comWGRZ.com article
School bus driver fired after talking with kids about stem cells                  www.wkbw.com
School bus driver fired for stem cell talk (Seattle Washington)

School Bus Driver Fired After Talking With Kids About Stem Cells
(Pro Life News.)

School bus driver fired after talking with kids about stem cells (Newsday.com)

USAToday.com

'Fired' bus driver quit, Island school district says
By EMMA D. SAPONG
News Northtowns Bureau     12/4/2004

South Korean Woman Paralyzed for 20 Years Walks After Adult-stem Cell Treatment
The Christian Post.com
November 01, 2004, 9:50 a.m.
Braveheart Stands Athwart a Brave New World
Mel Gibson takes on government-funded Twilight Zone research.

Mel Gibson: I'm interested in cures and in eradicating diseases. This touches my own family. It was brought to my attention that this proposition is deceptive. It's a deliberate attempt to mislead the public.

They use scientific terms to obfuscate their true intent. They don't want to talk about human embryos or the cloning of human embryos so they use arcane scientific terms that mean the same thing, like "pluripotent stem cells" and "somatic-cell nuclear transfer."

Truthfully, I would find it difficult to look at myself in the mirror if I didn't take a stand against this disingenuous proposition, particularly in light of the fact that in 23 years of research with embryonic-stem-cells not one single cure has been obtained.

Not so with adult and umbilical-cord stem cells, which have resulted in more than 300,000 effective cures including spinal-cord injuries, Parkinson's disease, stroke, and multiple sclerosis.
US ; NY school bus driver fired over stem cell talk     Friday, December 03, 2004
US News, NEW YORK - A school bus driver who chatted about stem cell research with her pupils was fired for inappropriate behavior, a local newspaper said on Thursday.
Firing follows school bus driver's stem-cell comments            By The Associated Press 12.04.04

School bus driver fired after talking with kids about stem cells

School Bus Driver Fired for Stem Cell Talk
Jul was interviewed on KOA in Denver Saturday
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Jul was  on Q101 Friday morning at 7:15 with Mancow
He has a morning spot on Fox News in the morning also
Casualties of the Culture War
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It's easier to condemn something than to understand it
by Maisie Martinick
5Feb05

You can tell when what you say really strikes a nerve because people come out swinging to defend their point and totally miss the reasons why you voiced your objections about it.  I don't have to defend my reply to Julianna Thompson because I know that I made my point abundantly clear and ou can tell by last week's article that it really hit home.
Ms. Thompson can attack my article all she wants but I am still secure in knowing that she has not spoken to any expert on embryonic stem cell research or read the volumes of literature on evolution. That in itself proves my point.  I forgot to mention that I myself am a medical research scientist, but if Ms, Thompson still doesn't trust me, i'd be more than happy to introduce her to experts that are even more advanced than I am.
Aside from that, I no longer think that ignorance is really to blame here.  Rather, it is simply taking the easy way out.  It's easy to condemn embryonic stem cell research, but it's not so easy to learn about it and understand why scientists choose to work with it.  It's easy to say "abortion kills children," but it's not so easy to understand the reasons why women seek abortions and it's not so easy to learn from those reasons to make abortion, aas Bill Clinton described it, legal, safe and rare.
It's easy to dismiss evolution as nonsense, but it's not so easy to study such a complex phenomenon.  When we frequent our suburban megaplex churches, it's easy to call ourselves "people of God," but it's not so easy to take time out of overpriveleged lives to help those in dire need.  And it's very easy for us to delude ourselves into thinking we are liberating the Iraqi people and to dismiss the victims of this sham as inevitable casualties, but it's not so easy to sacrifice your own child for a lie and to admit that our brilliant plan for "liberation" is crumbling before our very eyes.
I guess it's also easy to have God on your side, because you can never be wrong.  Right, Ms. Thompson?  Listen up everyody.  Open your minds.  Open your hearts.  And read a book.  That is all I have to say.
Private reply to Maisie Martinick

It's easier  to condemn something than to understand it
Julianne Thompson

You can tell when what you say really strikes a nerve because people come out swinging to defend their point and totally miss the reasons why you voiced your objections about it.  I don't have to defend my reply to Maisie Martinick because I know that I made my point abundantly clear and you can tell by last week's article that it really hit home.
Mrs. Martinick can attack my position all she wants but I am still secure in knowing that she hasn't likely spoken to any expert on embryonic stem cell research or read the volumes of literature on evolution.  That in itself proves my point.  I forgot to mention that I myself have done plenty of research on the subject, but if Mrs. Martinick still doesn't trust me, I could introduce her to experts, but I'd likely be wasting my time. It doesn't seem that facts matter, as she hasn't produced any.
Aside from that, I no longer think that blind faith in the powers that be, is really to blame here.  Okay, maybe it is just taking the easy way out.  It's easy to condemn an opposing view on embryonic stem cell research, but it's not so easy to learn about it and learn why scientists still choose to work with it.  It's easy to say "abortion kills children", and it's easy to understand the reasons why women seek abortions:  Mostly, because they can't be bothered with birth control.  Though Bill Clinton as an authority is laughable, it would be nice if he meant it when he feigned hope in making it legal, safe and rare.
It's easy to dismiss evolution as nonsense, in Miss Maisie's own words, but it's not so easy to study such a complex phenomenon, particularly when no evidence exists, with the exception of minor changes in two very minor species.  When we frequent our suburban megaplex churches, it's easy to call ourselves "people of God", but very few people that I know, that attend those kinds of churches, take time out of their overpriveleged lives to help those in dire need.  And it's very easy for us to delude ourselves into thinking we are liberating American women through abortion, and dismiss the victims of this tragedy as necessary casualties.  And for some, it seems very easy to sacrifice their children for a lie, rarely admitting their brilliant plan for "liberation" is causing the fabric of our society to crumble before our very eyes.
I guess it's also easy to have no facts on your side, just mean-spirited, baseless assumptions, and the desire to see it all in print.  Right, Mrs. Martinick?  Listen up everybody.  Open your minds.  Open your hearts.  And try reading the only Book worth reading* for say, just ten minutes a day.  That's all I have to say.

*I'd start with Proverbs 6:16,17
Anonymity: The Bully's Pulpit
by Julianne Thompson
9 Feb 2005


Well, I must be doing something right.  I received an anonymous threat telling me to essentially "be quiet, or else."  Who could possibly be threatened by my lone voice, expressing concern over the massive waste in embryonic stem cell research?  A concerned taxpayer, worried a legitimate lawsuit might take a chunk out of an already overburdened citizenry? Perhaps then we should reconsider allowing the School Board (not a New York State law) the authority to force us to supply a bloated salary to the unemployed principal of our little school, who consistently engages in criminal behavior.
Or could it be someone from one of our pharmaceutical companies?  Come to find out, in doing business with California research firms specializing in the ill-gotten gain of ESCR, they contribute a considerable share to the island's tax revenue. Or maybe the Town, as the recipient~?  It seems I should have been aware of that fact, and kept quiet, knowing mammon was being well-served.
Now our illustrious governor wants to not only add funding of the failed research to our bankrupt state, he has asked the National Republicans to remove the pro-life stand from its platform. Yea, good idea, let's join the culture of death and destruction.  What sort of wisdom justifies sucking yet more life out of the already choking tax-paying citizens of NY, to pay for demonstrably failed research?  This is not an arms race with the Russians, we do not need to compete with other states to be on the cutting edge of research.  Let them fail, and we'll be all the wiser, free to spend the money that wasn't spent, on bloated bureaucracies and pensions for Floridians.
Beginning of the End for Embryonic Stem Cell Research?
By Michael Fumento